Just give me a second.” Fiona Shaw pauses, and takes a deep, calming breath… earlier than being plunged straight again into the subject she’s come to dread. The C-word.

“It’s onerous to speak about Christmas a lot, isn’t it?” she asks plaintively, in that delicate Irish brogue of hers. Many wrongly assume that the 66-year-old powerhouse actor is British, due to her penchant for taking part in characters with cut-glass English accents – stiff-upper-lip sorts in varied guises, from chronically repressed Aunt Petunia within the Harry Potter franchise to frosty and unknowable MI5 agent Carolyn Martens in Killing Eve. Right now, within the London lodge room the place she’s arrange camp for the day, the mere point out of Christmas has her smiling – albeit with a barely manic, determined air.

It’s onerous to keep away from the topic, in fact – we’re right here particularly to speak about her flip in Netflix’s animated movie That Christmas. Written by Richard Curtis, whose first festive foray Love Really got here out 21 years in the past, the 90-minute characteristic is tailored from his trilogy of kids’s books and is seemingly the primary ever Christmas movie Shaw has been concerned in. (Not that she will be able to bear in mind, thoughts you – “Should you say so!” she concedes, after I try and double-check her in depth filmography.)

Amid a sea of seasonal hoopla, Shaw appears a beacon of understated class. Whereas PR and advertising bods whizz round her in garish Christmas jumpers, and a totally decked-out Christmas tree is manoeuvred into the lobby exterior, she sits completely poised in a easy but expensive-looking cream silk shirt and charcoal trousers. And why shouldn’t she? This can be a lady who’s greater than paid her dues, with an illustrious stage and display screen profession spanning practically 30 years (she’s a type of immediately recognisable veteran thesps who’s seemingly in the whole lot).

However no matter outfit selection, it could’t be helped; we have to speak about Christmas. Or That Christmas on the very least. Following the inhabitants of a small seaside city over the festive interval, the family-friendly animation is genuinely candy and charming. Shaw voices Miss Trapper, a fearsomely intimidating however finally misunderstood headteacher, heading up a stellar ensemble solid that features Brian Cox, Jodie Whittaker, Lolly Adefope, Katherine Parkinson, Invoice Nighy and Rhys Darby. Not that she started working with any of them within the flesh. “I didn’t meet anyone!” she says; it was simply Shaw alone in a sound sales space, lending her voice to a undertaking that was years within the making.

“That is known as a tribute to the bonkers world we reside in, the place we flip thousands and thousands of hours of individuals’s power into an hour and a half of celluloid,” she says animatedly. “That’s change into the brand new tulip, the brand new diamond… We flip so many individuals’s livelihoods right into a [90-minute film] that folks watch, after which say, ‘I believe I’ll go and make a toasted sandwich now.’ It’s loopy!”

Shaw speaks a mile a minute, virtually crackling with power as she marvels on the madness of contemporary media. “I suppose what creatives are doing is invading one another’s imaginations, aren’t we? 100 years in the past, you’d have been mendacity in a discipline, dreaming and searching on the sky. Now we get goals type of channelled into our brains, and we simply hope that they’re good goals. And I believe that this – That Christmas – is an efficient dream.”

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She instinctively does this – delves deeper, seeks out profound that means, and applies curiosity and mind to each subject as if it’s inherently worthy of ardent consideration. It’s arguably this high quality that makes Shaw such a nuanced actor, irrespective of the function, and has seen her constantly in work ever since her profession kicked off post-drama college in 1983 with a starring function on the Nationwide Theatre.

“I believe I’m in probably the most fantastic issues,” she enthuses, citing her subsequent couple of tasks: collection two of Sharon Horgan’s good Apple TV collection Dangerous Sisters; the upcoming movie adaptation of the Deborah Levy novel Scorching Milk. She feels much less possession over the Harry Potter movies, remarking on the plans to remake them: “I don’t suppose something about it! I don’t thoughts in the event that they make 10 variations of it.”

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Buzzy crime drama True Detective: Evening Nation, launched on Sky Atlantic and Now TV earlier this 12 months, was a very “astonishing” profession spotlight. To movie her function of survivalist Rose Aguineau – mentor to detectives Liz Danvers (Jodie Foster) and Evangeline Navarro (Kali Reis) – Shaw was flown out to Iceland. “You get up at the hours of darkness at 11am and then you definitely go to work at 2pm, and it’s darkish once more, and also you’re on evening shoots that take you to 4am,” she recollects. “And also you’re looking the window at a number of birds, however in any other case nothing lives there. There aren’t any bushes, and there’s simply the ocean, and you are feeling you’re firstly of the world.”

I discover myself spellbound: Shaw weaves phrases collectively in such a means that the imaginative and prescient nearly appears to hold, stark but vivid, within the air between us. Swiftly, she’s slapping herself on the wrist and transferring on to the subsequent factor: “I’m sorry! You haven’t requested me a query about that.” However she will be able to’t assist speaking concerning the roles she’s most obsessed with, it appears, the very subsequent second waxing lyrical about Killing Eve. The four-season smash hit ran from 2018 to 2022, and starred Sandra Oh and Jodie Comer as a spy and a contract killer caught in a sexually charged sport of cat and mouse. Shaw, who performed an inscrutable MI6 agent with murky allegiances, credit the present with serving to her fall again in love together with her occupation.

“I’d obtained a bit fed up of performing, fed up of my personal performing,” she tells me. “I started to marvel: have I had sufficient? Do I want a sabbatical?”

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Earlier than Killing Eve, Shaw had pivoted to directing operas whereas avoiding the stage herself. “You don’t know you’re taking a break,” she explains. “You simply suppose, perhaps I’ll pause for a minute and take into consideration what I’ll do subsequent. However you discover years have passed by and also you haven’t finished some other performs.” Then alongside got here Killing Eve and the function of Carolyn Martens. What did Shaw do to counteract that “fed up” feeling? Determined to utterly change her performing type, in fact.

“You possibly can hear how garrulous I’m in life,” she says, “so I made a decision to do the alternative of what I usually do, which is communicate very quick. In Killing Eve I believed, simply reverse it – and don’t communicate.” She describes the method as a “revelation… you understand, it’s like taking part in the piano in another way. I simply modified the best way I hit the keys.”

This being Shaw, the selection didn’t simply come out of nowhere – it was thought of and rooted in analysis, which revealed that spies at all times select their phrases very fastidiously “in case they blab the fallacious factor”. The outcome was a personality so intriguing that Shaw was not solely included in all 4 seasons of the present, however grew to become more and more integral because the story progressed. By the tip, the bilateral relationship between Eve and Villanelle had developed into extra of a triangle with Martens, a characteristic that contributed to the present’s success, posits Shaw. “There may be that White Goddess factor in there: there’s the virgin who, on this case, was evil, which is attention-grabbing; there’s the matriarch, which is Eve; and there’s the Crone, which was me. There’s a tripod of femaleness that works very effectively on a cultural, unconscious degree.”

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Femaleness dominated extra than simply the central characters of Killing Eve: each collection was headed up by a special feminine author. Phoebe Waller-Bridge, the present’s authentic creator and head author on collection one, was “despatched from heaven”, says Shaw. “I’m very moved by Phoebe,” she provides, “as a result of her enjoyment of life and in wit, her actual celebration of wit, is nearly her raison d’etre. She jogs my memory of some facet of myself after I was younger. I believe perhaps a type of madcap enthusiasm – I used to have that, and she or he has that.”

Ageing definitely has its benefits although. “I believe your thirties and forties are very onerous for ladies,” Shaw muses. “Your fifties and sixties are a lot simpler. There’s one thing about touchdown… I suppose you cease making an attempt to be Mozart, don’t you? You recognize you’re not going to jot down that symphony.”

Within the acclaimed Star Wars spin-off Andor, she was given the chance to play two very totally different ages – each youthful and older than herself – when portraying the protagonist’s mom, Maarva Andor, at totally different factors in her life. The collection, which follows Cassian Andor’s journey to riot as he turns into radicalised towards the Galactic Empire, is, she says, an allegory for at present’s political panorama. “The writing on that was spectacularly good and splendidly stayed within the mythology of the universe – however really, sure, it was totally a mapping of what’s occurring in our world.”

As Shaw mentioned herself, she definitely is garrulous – we solely have a matter of minutes remaining, but in some way handle to delve into the whole lot from the staggering variety of Jane Austen display screen variations (“my goodness, there’s plenty of them – it should be the tune of England or one thing”) as to if she ever seems like she’s competing with associates for elements (“By no means! We’re not all assembly in some membership each Friday going ‘Who obtained what? What are you taking part in?’”).

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She’s significantly opinionated on the previous subject: “I believe there are about 1,000 different tales we might be telling ourselves, not least that of the empire. What was occurring whereas Jane Austen was writing?” she asks. “Individuals have been being shot out of cannons in India by the British – why aren’t we telling that story? Famines have been taking place in Eire – why aren’t we telling that story? On the sting of Austen was this different world of way more attention-grabbing individuals; they weren’t all sitting round on sofas going, ‘My hair!’”

And with that, we lastly hit our restrict. “Sorry we ran off into… you didn’t even ask me the questions!” Shaw laments. “I used to be off.” She nonetheless has simply sufficient time to sneak in a point out of her subsequent undertaking – a thriller one thing involving Sacha Baron Cohen. This can be the one time she stays tight-lipped. “I can’t let you know something about it, I’m simply not allowed,” she says ruefully. It’s a disgrace. I really feel pretty assured that she has some deep, profound ideas on that too – if solely she may share them.