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[general curtis] lemay recognized that what he was doing would be thought immoral if his side has lost. but what makes it immoral if you lose and not immoral if you win?
-Robert McNamara
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[general Curtis] Lemay Recognized That What He

Robert McNamara
[general curtis] lemay recognized that what he was doing would be thought immoral if his side has lost. but what makes it immoral if you lose and not immoral if you win?
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